tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post6851523097273289863..comments2024-03-21T00:30:14.738-07:00Comments on Yoga in the Dragon's Den: How do you get into Tiriang Mukhottanasana without becoming a jack-in-the-box?Nobelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-63794954111474784572019-11-19T03:47:25.468-08:002019-11-19T03:47:25.468-08:00I can do this
I can do this<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800435531307417928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-22071639583288595342012-05-14T06:06:13.410-07:002012-05-14T06:06:13.410-07:00Thanks for liking to hear about my practice, Helen...Thanks for liking to hear about my practice, Helena :-) Hearing this makes me very happy.Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-62113989677914209502012-05-13T16:56:44.450-07:002012-05-13T16:56:44.450-07:00Happy to bring out the Ashtangageek in you :-)!!!Happy to bring out the Ashtangageek in you :-)!!!DeborahShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02342199099292606304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-15583021268057204432012-05-13T13:48:43.063-07:002012-05-13T13:48:43.063-07:00I like to hear about your practice. I DON'T li...I like to hear about your practice. I DON'T like all those 'stick up there ass yogi's' Just big ego's, no doubt!Helenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10290485563701478217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-57553933022133675322012-05-13T10:16:13.217-07:002012-05-13T10:16:13.217-07:00"couldn't help but notice that the model&..."couldn't help but notice that the model's (Ana Guerra?) feet turn out in this very deep backbend. This is something I wonder about because David Garrigues emphasized proper technique with the thighs rotating inward, etc..."<br /><br />I have the feeling that different teachers have different opinions on the importance of absolutely keeping the feet turned in from the get-go. I actually brought Kino's attention to this issue (my feet also tend to turn out) when she was dropping me back at her Richmond workshop last year. She said that over time, as I develop more length/flexibility in the psoas, the feet-turning-out problem will correct itself. <br /><br />But maybe David G has a different opinion on this. Maybe he believes that it is more important to keep the feet/thighs turned in from the outset, even if it means not dropping all the way down to the ground, in order to prevent the formation of bad habits. <br /><br />Actually, I personally think that perhaps there are certain body types out there (like Ana's) which are such that no matter how well-engaged and how well-turned in the inner thighs are, the feet will always tend to turn out *a little bit*. I am emphasizing "a little bit" here; no matter what your body type is, if you turn the feet out too much, you are inevitably going to lose the inner thigh rotation and compromise the knees. Actually, I also recently came up with this theory that this may be why so many people start to have knee issues when they start doing second: Due to inner/outer thigh strength imbalances, they fail to internally rotates their thighs enough in deep backbends like Kapotasana and TM, and this places tremendous pressure on the knees. <br /><br />Wow, you are really bringing out the Ashtangeek in me :-) This is why I love the cybershala.Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-29139676552097044362012-05-13T10:03:02.560-07:002012-05-13T10:03:02.560-07:00The rubber band effect... very interesting. You ma...The rubber band effect... very interesting. You may be right that I may be trying to counterbalance too much; I'll explore this in my next backbending practice, and see what happens. <br /><br />I'm guessing that the backbendcentric-ness of Mysore may be due to the fact that primary series is so forward-bend-centric; the former serves to balance out the effects of the latter. Just my guess. Don't know this for sure.<br /><br />Yeah, there does seem to be quite a bit of snobbery/feeling superior/self-righteousness in the blogosphere lately. Makes the whole cybershala so much less of a pleasant place to be in. But then again, if my drishti/pratyahara were stronger, none of this would concern me in the least. Says something about myself, doesn't it? :-)Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-29613176234418629212012-05-13T03:19:44.960-07:002012-05-13T03:19:44.960-07:00Yes, that's what I'm wondering, if it is t...Yes, that's what I'm wondering, if it is this very deep fear ingrained in the body. Whatever, it will probably go away in time. Ask Kino! I checked out the video you posted of her in your next post and couldn't help but notice that the model's (Ana Guerra?) feet turn out in this very deep backbend. This is something I wonder about because David Garrigues emphasized proper technique with the thighs rotating inward, etc... but even starting with parallel feet by the time I drop back the feet turn out, so what i do now is turn them back in as I stand up. Which feels a little sneaky, like I'm trying to hide that they turned out.<br /><br />Another thought on Grimmly's comments, I'm not sure that's it's snobbery. I've been reading the notes on Angela Jamison's blog lately (http://www.ashtangaannarbor.com/wordpress/), and she says this:<br />"...I’ll mention to you that it’s my practice not to talk about my practice, notably the daily fluctuations or close teacher relationships. Rehearsing or evaluating that stuff tends to generate all kinds of false, self-reinforcing stories, growth-limiting delusions, and energy drains from the rest of life/practice. It also builds up clunky baggage about being an asana person or a meditating person. Let’s travel light, and keep it simple where we can."<br /><br />Of course this doesn't actually stop me from talking about asana, but I see her point. It probably makes more sense from her context of having been to Mysore, with hundreds of students talking about their practice things could get a little out of hand. I think it makes less sense for those of us with limited access to a community of yoga practitioners. Feedback is helpful. <br /><br />Now I'm just delaying the inevitable, getting on my mat!DeborahShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02342199099292606304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-9573914912197690682012-05-12T23:45:40.928-07:002012-05-12T23:45:40.928-07:00Wrote it on iPad Noble and it came out all over th...Wrote it on iPad Noble and it came out all over the place was going to rewrite it but the moment was gone. Basically along the lines of Snobbery can be found in the yoga/ashtanga world just as anywhere else and just to ignore it. That said I've recently moved out of a writing about asana phase (and I've been writing about little else for years) and am a little fed up of all the asana tutorials and 'how to' workshops (though would have loved all that a couple of years ( or even months :) back), cant watch em. So can kind of understand a little of where the snobbery or frustration is coming from but a little kindness wouldn't go amiss, why do people have to feel so superior, yogi's for heaven sake, how absurd is that. The post I just wrote on YS II:47 on asana shows that writing about asana and practice (working it out and through blogs even) is never to be dismissed. For now my own drishti might be elsewhere but it's always going to come back to asana and practice and what the hell is going on there. <br />re the jack in the box. think i wrote a post on rubber band drop backs, where you start to go back then all of a sudden are thrown back up straight, called it the rubber band effect. I thought it was from having the hips just a little too high and forward, wonder if something similar is happening here with you where your trying to counterbalance just a little too much, relaxing that a little might help but I'm guessing can only touch my heels myself. Oh I also asked the question why Mysore is so bacbendcentric, why the focus on Tiriang Mukhottanasana there anyway, can kind of live without it though it would be pretty cool. Told you it was all over the place.Grimmlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301656317399292135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-55123684031036659462012-05-12T14:12:34.143-07:002012-05-12T14:12:34.143-07:00I could be wrong about this, but I get the sense t...I could be wrong about this, but I get the sense that my sudden coming out of the posture has less to do with panic than with something purely physiological/anatomical: It's like once you are so deep into a standing backbend, your psoas/quads are being stretched to their maximum, and unless you really have a lot of length in these muscles, their default reflex reaction is to pull out back up to standing, like a pair of very taut rubber bands :-) <br /><br />But maybe this default reflex reaction IS caused by panic. Who knows? <br /><br />I'm happy to hear that you are also making good progress in backbending :-)Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-6021886635293487422012-05-12T14:08:07.963-07:002012-05-12T14:08:07.963-07:00Hello Grimmly, not sure why you deleted what you w...Hello Grimmly, not sure why you deleted what you wrote. Would have loved to hear your take on this :-)Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-33802202252102785792012-05-11T15:01:12.853-07:002012-05-11T15:01:12.853-07:00Hey Nobel, well some of us less than enlightened f...Hey Nobel, well some of us less than enlightened folks with little access to the Mysore room appreciate the practice notes. I'm afraid I can't answer your question, since I'm just beginning to touch my heels on a very good day, still waiting for the panic to subside. But it's interesting to hear how things might progress over time. <br />But perhaps, after all, that is the answer. It's a bit of a panic, perhaps, this sudden coming out of the pose, and you'll just have to wait and see what happens. Keep doing it until the panic subsides and you can stay a little longer, come out a little slower. And do please post about it!DeborahShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02342199099292606304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-62574895170397242672012-05-11T13:16:19.168-07:002012-05-11T13:16:19.168-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Grimmlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301656317399292135noreply@blogger.com