tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post7370156554436310218..comments2024-03-21T00:30:14.738-07:00Comments on Yoga in the Dragon's Den: An Open Letter to Sharath about Kino's Mysore video Nobelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-78474191864271476992018-06-01T00:46:39.326-07:002018-06-01T00:46:39.326-07:00I know this is very old now, but I couldn't he...I know this is very old now, but I couldn't help researching Kino after reading some awful comments under her youtube, the comments really shocked me- all in regards to her clothing etc. I am really appalled that people have a problem with how she dresses, I feel like if she wasn't so attractive then no one would even notice, tight yoga pants expose the figure after all and women and men all over the world wear shorts while practicing, I don't understand how anyone who has an interest in yoga and spirituality, or just plain sport, for that matter, can reject the human form. She has this magical, feminine, strong body in peak physical condition and I think it's an honour and extremely inspirational that we get to see it. Some people are so terribly bitter and jealous, I can't even imagine what sort of world their day to day life consists of. The human body should be celebrated and rejoiced not rejected and shamed! And yes, I can't help but feel it's not only the fact that she is female, but that her body shape is so quintessentially female...and that seems to really anger and intimidate some people. I am not a crazy feminist or anything, it just crossed my mind as strange because I have seen many yoga teaches dress in a similar way and no one blinks an eye. Of course her fame and success and age all contribute to that. Personally I think it would be hard for someone to criticise her without exposing something unsavoury about themselves, something that should probably be reflected upon. Anyway, controversy is a part of life and that is something we can't escape :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-60669370399237092322018-04-14T01:45:40.296-07:002018-04-14T01:45:40.296-07:00Please moderate comments. Extremely disturbing com...Please moderate comments. Extremely disturbing comments left above regarding non consensual sex with minors. Should not be on your page. Please delete & delete this comment, too, as it doesn’t serve the remaining conversation.Birgithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04617118503451122570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-47543565929727218472018-04-14T01:44:43.591-07:002018-04-14T01:44:43.591-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Birgithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04617118503451122570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-55475928870472536122015-10-06T04:04:40.822-07:002015-10-06T04:04:40.822-07:00Yoga is a systematic attack to ego ...Yoga is a systematic attack to ego <br /> <a href="http://www.bellofpeace.org%20/" title="klik" rel="nofollow">gedeprama|bellofpeace.org</a> Pelayan Keheninganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448518756726276165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-85937366266545119672015-08-11T01:00:19.397-07:002015-08-11T01:00:19.397-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Storyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05255735223979190190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-12256993679657339832015-06-28T07:22:38.989-07:002015-06-28T07:22:38.989-07:00What is 'Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga' versus ...What is 'Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga' versus 'Ashtanga Yoga'....is it just a difference in Western naming or are there actually two different types of pracice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-29422668565134855602015-01-20T19:58:07.776-08:002015-01-20T19:58:07.776-08:00If I pay to attend a yoga workshop wherever it may...If I pay to attend a yoga workshop wherever it may be, I would hope anyone intending to film or take photos would obtain my explicit permission before doing so. And if if I do give consent to partake in a film, I hope I would be offered an actor's fee or royalties. Just because it involves yoga does not mean it's all free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-1492389741779027552014-09-28T11:50:35.839-07:002014-09-28T11:50:35.839-07:00Kino is the most annoying person on the face of th...Kino is the most annoying person on the face of the planet. I really wish she would go away. She is self obsessed, reminiscent of a valley girl, wanna be yogi. I hate her stupid smile. She is obsessed with trying to be famous. She may as well release a sex tape. Then she will be famous and she can obsess over herself even more until she implodes into a giant, kino obsessed puddle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-69517854836531693482013-02-04T10:26:49.424-08:002013-02-04T10:26:49.424-08:00That was exactly my question too! This seems to be...That was exactly my question too! This seems to be an uncut (and fleshed out?) version of what was in Medin's video. Which makes me think somebody's upset with Kino, more than anything - an excuse to make trouble for her. I don't get people always being so after Kino, seriously - I loved that video, made me want to go to Mysore! And David Garrigues posts a lot of videos too, which is super useful to us home practitioners. AND he wears skimpy clothes :) - but I guess being a man protects him - being a woman and prominent is always dangerous. People and their issues... Bibinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-8258883180289990692013-01-31T13:41:59.097-08:002013-01-31T13:41:59.097-08:00Don't hold your breath for that blog post. Her...Don't hold your breath for that blog post. Here's an alternative - go to Encinitas. Maybe you can also see Sharath if you time it right. <br /><br />If you go to the Jois place though, get there a few minutes early. You can get lost in that retail space, trying to find the yoga room... which sums the place up handily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-2342911006563909702013-01-31T13:34:35.770-08:002013-01-31T13:34:35.770-08:00Thank you so much for taking the time to share wit...Thank you so much for taking the time to share with us at length about these details concerning image release forms. I was not aware of all this. It is definitely a learning experience for everybody here. Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-59158786894919042502013-01-31T11:17:34.971-08:002013-01-31T11:17:34.971-08:00Just coming to the conversation and am a supporter...Just coming to the conversation and am a supporter of Mysore, Ashtanga, and have seen some Kino videos and I'm sure she is lovely. All other issues aside you HAVE to get image release forms for these things. It is a very big deal to use a photo or film that includes someone without their permission and there are legal (if not social and cultural) repercussions for not doing so. Often in conversations like this, where the topic and subjects are so close to people's passions and lives, the technicalities of things simply being legal vs. illegal get left out. <br /><br />I work in film production and have been tracking down signatures for image releases for years. It can be a pain but it is necessary. If I am on a shoot that already has release forms from participants but am working autonomously for my own project then I have to get release forms for myself. People have a right to know what they are participating in and where their image will be used. It's a matter of respect and also of legality. It also avoids these types of misunderstandings- if one person doesn't want to be included in my project I am able to edit them out and avoid future complications. People opt out for a lot of reasons and while they are often due to personal preference there are of<br /><br />So, everything else aside, if she didn't have permission in signed release forms this is a problem. You never know why someone won't want their image used on the world wide web and that should be respected. <br /><br />This was just a quick google find but there is some good information, basically if it was shot in a place of business (the shala is a beautiful place to be respected as a source for an amazing spiritual practice that I honor and cherish but I do believe it would fit in the area of a 'private' vs 'public' setting) and if you have any intention of even possibly using it commercially OR non-commercially you need an image release form. <br /><br />http://www.webvideozone.com/public/88.cfmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-24559897923356096322013-01-30T12:02:38.316-08:002013-01-30T12:02:38.316-08:00I hear you, Peg. If you would like my humble opini...I hear you, Peg. If you would like my humble opinion, I think you are understanding everything correctly, except maybe for the part about the shala being a public place (see my discussion with La Gitane above). But that is probably an, uh, academic distinction :-)<br /><br />"yoga - to bring together. perhaps we should try it sometime."<br /><br />I like that :-)Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-76169039136669501842013-01-30T11:57:32.222-08:002013-01-30T11:57:32.222-08:00Wow. Don't know where to start responding to y...Wow. Don't know where to start responding to you here...<br /><br />"Ask him whether he would ever do such a thing and the answer you will get is that such stuff is basically Kali Yuga bullshit."<br /><br />I'd love to hear this from the man himself at some point.... (maybe the next "Tuesdays with Timji"? :-))<br /><br />"Those who would protest... would do well to establish an actual relationship with an actual teacher who actually shows up at their shala..."<br /><br />Nobody here (especially not Kino) is denying the importance of an actual relationship. Kino's intention in making her videos is to enable people who would otherwise not have encountered Ashtanga to establish a connection with the practice, and then hopefully move on to have an actual relationship with an actual teacher. Actually, Susan (a.k.a. Susananda) tells this story in her recent post: <br /><br />"...a couple of days ago on the UO rooftop I met a woman who has no teacher where she lives. The reason she has a practice at all, and has made it to Mysore for the first time, is largely due to Kino's videos."<br /><br />you can read the full post here: <br /><br />http://susananda.blogspot.com/2013/01/internet-three-sisters-long.html <br /><br />Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-27378260688071204802013-01-30T06:17:50.605-08:002013-01-30T06:17:50.605-08:00let me see if i'm understanding this correctly...let me see if i'm understanding this correctly ... <br /><br />kino puts out an educational video with additional clips from a movie that has already been released to the public - filmed in a public place with the blessing of the shala - and is getting criticized?<br /><br />if you didn't want to be filmed, i'm assuming students could've left. there was a movie being filmed and so as i am reading this, they (whoever "they" are) were ok for the movie but not ok for kino? dude - they don't get to make that choice. they were in a public (however sacred) place. <br /><br />oh but wait - i simply adore how, for the most part, negativity is spewed via an anonymous bully pulpit called the internet? for crying out loud. <br /><br />i reviewed mysore magic and just watched kino's "controversial" video. well done. thanks for giving this mom-of-two who may never visit the living source of her practice but is super grateful for those like kino who share her own experience for the likes of me.<br /><br />and not anonymously - but as herself. in all her humanness. she makes this practice approachable, accessible, and enjoyable. <br /><br />yoga - to bring together. perhaps we should try it sometime.<br /><br />peg mulqueenhttp://www.pegmulqueen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-85865445542849544582013-01-29T17:58:08.388-08:002013-01-29T17:58:08.388-08:00Can't speak regarding the others, but the ques...Can't speak regarding the others, but the question of whether anyone would protest a Tim Miller video is purely academic. Ask him whether he would ever do such a thing and the answer you will get is that such stuff is basically Kali Yuga bullshit. <br /><br />Yoga is transmitted face to face, ideally one guru/one shishya. Know about the koshas? The way we privilege technology today has created in affect another one, the technomaya kosha. Yet another layer to obscure purusha. Those who would protest ("I figured out X from such and such video") would do well to establish an actual relationship with an actual teacher who actually shows up at their shala, day in day out, for actual teaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-80370949548219621122013-01-28T21:03:48.576-08:002013-01-28T21:03:48.576-08:00Interesting suggestion - I would think that it def...Interesting suggestion - I would think that it definitely puts the Mysore shala in the "captive audience" category, because it's an awfully big ask to ask people to leave when they have travelled halfway around the world just to be there! There are more guidelines on filming and consent than you can count, but very few laws that govern it - so it's always a tricky business. When I'm producing something I always try to follow the ethical high road, just to be safe... and I always think to myself: what if it were me?Yogini Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787351711548823249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-46513256602135010592013-01-28T12:49:57.107-08:002013-01-28T12:49:57.107-08:00Interesting. I did not know about these guidelines...Interesting. I did not know about these guidelines about filming in a public vs. private space. And you're right that the Mysore shala may fall into a grey area here. <br /><br />But I wonder if it might be useful here to use what I would call a "captive audience rule" to decide the matter. The idea is this: If you are a member of a captive audience in a particular space (for instance, if you are in a classroom, where you are not free to leave the place when the filming is being done), then then the person doing the filming would need to ask permission from the people being filmed. If, on the other hand, the people being filmed are not members of a captive audience and are free to leave the place, then the person doing the filming does not need to ask permission. What do you think of this?<br /><br />But if we use this rule, then the people in the Mysore shala would be part of a captive audience, since the shala is a classroom of sorts... Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-18572615105858672162013-01-28T12:44:18.868-08:002013-01-28T12:44:18.868-08:00Oh, I meant to say "success cookie jar."...Oh, I meant to say "success cookie jar." Mistyped :-) Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-23124103393218452772013-01-28T12:43:27.147-08:002013-01-28T12:43:27.147-08:00I hear you, Deborah. There's definitely not a ...I hear you, Deborah. There's definitely not a succee cookie jar out there that is being emptied by those who got there first, even if our capitalist society would like us to believe otherwise. I wonder if capitalistic indoctrination may be why it is so difficult for us to get over such feelings of envy, however unwarranted they may be. But this can't be right, because jealousy and envy have been around far longer than capitalism... <br /><br />Anyway, all this is neither here nor there. But one way or the other, this reminds us again of the importance of Yoga Sutra 1.33...Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-8019609366059657422013-01-28T08:43:26.546-08:002013-01-28T08:43:26.546-08:00Many of my thoughts have already been voiced by ot...Many of my thoughts have already been voiced by others, particularly Nobel and Michelle. But I have this to offer.<br /><br />Kino has already publicly apologized. It is clear that her video is a beautiful gift to the Ashtanga community. People should have brought their complaints to her first, and given her a chance to resolve them. The only motivation that I can see for making them public is to embarass a very successful teacher, and take her down a notch or two.<br /><br />That's jealousy, however it may be justified. I've felt it myself, not with Kino but with another teacher who has gone further in less time than me and become rather publicly successful. It's a hot burning feeling that sticks in your throat. It has taken time and meditation for me to see that my envy of someone else's success is just that, even though I can find good reasons to say and feel snarky things if I want to. Things as petty as the length of the shorts. But really, who cares. Someone else's success does not limit my own. There's not a success jar out there being emptied by those who got there before me. What I've learned is that my envy shows me something that I want for myself, something in myself that I have not resolved. It shows me the path forward. Over and over I have had to come back to this.<br /><br />So perhaps if we all, collectively, have a little compassion for those whose envy has gotten out of hand, for those who can't yet see how their jealous response hurts themselves far more than it will ever hurt Kino, perhaps some fresh air can be brought to bear on this tempest in a teacup. <br /><br />In the long run, the publicity helps her far more than it hurts. No doubt the youtube numbers have skyrocketed and her workshops will sell out even faster. If I were one of the participants whose permission was not asked, perhaps I would simply ask for a discount in the next workshop.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-62296066167709348902013-01-27T20:32:58.099-08:002013-01-27T20:32:58.099-08:00As someone who makes videos professionally (among ...As someone who makes videos professionally (among other things) for non-profits, the general guidelines I use for asking permission are that if people are in a public space at a public event, you don't need to ask their permission to be filmed or shown participating in that event. If people are in a private space or at a private event, you must ask their permission and get written consent to use their image, even for non-profit and education purposes. I suspect that the Mysore yoga shala falls in that mysterious place in between the two, although if it were me, I would tend to view it as the latter - a private (intimate) space, at least during the practice itself.<br /><br />YouTube brings out the best and the worst in people it seems, as does (at times) a yoga practice. I dearly hope that this will all be peacefully resolved and that everyone will keep breathing and find the good in it! In any case Nobel, thanks for opening the discussion. In the end I'm sure good will come of it. :)Yogini Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787351711548823249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-79486760885278822852013-01-27T16:09:30.739-08:002013-01-27T16:09:30.739-08:00Thank you so much for speaking up on this blog, Ki...Thank you so much for speaking up on this blog, Kino. It is my selfish (and perhaps naive) wish that the video will be ok'ed to stay available on Youtube. As I've mentioned before, I cannot speak for anybody else (least of all those aggrieved parties who were in the video), but the video has provided a valuable connection to Mysore for me, and I believe it does the same thing for many other people too, based on the feedback I have received in the comments here and on your Youtube channel. <br /><br />But we still need to hear what Sharath has to say about this. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and offering my prayers in this area :-) Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-40835315724563313182013-01-27T15:21:20.696-08:002013-01-27T15:21:20.696-08:00I totally understand that people are upset that I ...I totally understand that people are upset that I did not ask their permission prior to using the extra footage from the Mysore Magic film shoot. I should have and I am sorry that I didn't! It honestly did not cross my mind and I can see that it is my own naivete to think that people would not mind. I wish that people would have contacted me directly with their concerns, but I understand it's hard to confront someone with negative feedback. I am definitely learning from this experience on many levels. I had no idea that the people that I practice with in Mysore who are friendly with me post-practice hold such strong negative views of my teaching and presence in the world. I have read the negative blogs complaining about my shorts, my youtube videos, and generally me but I just didn't think that it was from people I shared practice space with in Mysore. That limited view is just another reflection of my own naivete, or as Zee says above, my youth. I am currently considering what action to take, e.g., contacting each individual person in the video directly and apologizing/asking permission, whether to take the video down or leave it up and of course speaking with Sharath next week when I am in Mysore. Meanwhile thanks for your honesty and openness about this. I honestly love the video as a link and inspiration for people who may be inspired by my teaching and presence to find their way to the power and magic of Mysore. My hope is that we can reach a peaceful resolution where the video is ok'ed to stay available on YouTube. I hope that I'm not being naive about that too!Kino MacGregornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449952380128375575.post-45144454637926047422013-01-27T14:03:42.669-08:002013-01-27T14:03:42.669-08:00I really like the Yoga Makaranda quote, Grimmly, e...I really like the Yoga Makaranda quote, Grimmly, especially the part about shaking arms and legs. Can't help smiling and wondering if that's what I do everyday on the mat :-) <br /><br />"Was there a need for Kino to do a Mysore promotional video so soon after Mysore Magic? Probably not."<br /><br />I get the sense that Kino's video is targeted to a slightly different audience than the audience that Mysore Magic (MM) was meant to target. The overall tone of MM suggests to me that the video was made to speak to people who don't practice Ashtanga, and who are curious about what the big deal is about going to Mysore among Ashtangis. Kino's video, on the other hand, seems to be targeted towards people who have already been practicing Ashtanga for at least a little while, and are curious about what going to Mysore would do for their practice. So the audience is different, and therefore, IMHO, there was a need (or at least a good reason) for making such a video.<br /><br />Having said this, however, I also agree that, with the benefit of hindsight (which is always 20/20, of course), perhaps Kino could have avoided this incident if she had sought permission from the people who were going to be in the video. <br /><br />I will, of course, keep this lesson in mind, in the very likely event that I decide to make my own Mysore video (sans short shorts, of course) when I finally make it to Mysore. <br />Nobelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655577410721103577noreply@blogger.com